Archive for November, 2010

My Bad Experience With Credit Card Customer Service

November 10th, 2010

As readers of my site know, I’m proud that I’m totally debt free (including home and car debt)!

So when a Big American Corporation bank charged me a late fee on a credit card bill that I never received, I thought it wouldn’t be too big of a deal to have the fee waived.  After all, the amount the fee was based on was barely over $100…  Surely they would realize that I was a valuable customer and not worth upsetting over a piddly $110 balance…

So I called the customer support number!  I knew things were going to go bad when the customer service representative that answered had a cocky kind of way of answering.  Even before I said a word, this guy was going to be a jerk.

But I gave this guy the benefit of the doubt, and explained my problem.  He said that I recently had the credit card fee waived within the last 12 months and there was nothing he could do about it. 

I was still relatively calm at this point, and thought after I explained my circumstances that he would let common sense prevail…  Boy was I wrong!

Here is the information that I provided for to him:

  • Since before 2003 and to recently, when Citibank had my card, the bill was always received by us and corresponding then paid on time by us.  He could have confirmed this but didn’t.
  • My wife is an accountant, and handles the bills in our family so naturally, you’d assume she knew what she was doing.
  • I explained that we’re totally debt free, no mortgage, or car loans outstanding.
  • My credit card score is (at least the last time I checked) over 800 points.  I’m trying to convey that I’m reputable (which I am).

So when the credit card representative told me that he checked the computer and could see that the bill was sent on time, I couldn’t believe my ears.  I told him that possible the mailing from them was mishandled or didn’t print out to the printer (heck this happens, even the company I work for occasionally has printer issues).

To my total bewildering amazement, he tells me that he could put me on a payment plan for the ($110 dollars) amount that I owe.

Totally shocked at how stupid this representative must be, I instantly ask for a supervisor.  After 10 minutes, a supervisor get on the phone, and I can hear the combative tone in his voice too.  The previous representative must have talked to him swaying the supervisor’s opinion in some way.

Ready to push me around, this representative goes on to treat me horribly (and that’s being nice).  I go into my spiel again about the reasons why this was ludicrous, but he has cowboy syndrome, even cuts me off a few times while I try talk.

I try to reason with him again, but he’s just as rude as ever.  At this point I ask for his name, tell him that he is being incredible rude and doing a horrible job, but in a respectful way.  What changed this cocky supervisor tone was when I asked for his name telling him that I’m writing a letter complaining about my experience (which I WILL still do!). 

At this point, he realized that I’m the customer and not somebody trying to skip out on a payment.  He then tells me in a more acceptable manner that this is just policy, and then the pleasant lying begins. 

I tell him to tell me everything I need to write a complaint letter about my experience, including the name of the initial representative.  Which he lies to me and tells the system doesn’t provide that information.  I call him on this and state that I know that system has a transaction logs and that he does know that name of the previous rep, but that it’s against company policy. 

He states that’s true, and I tell him that he could have told me that and I would have been fine.  He tries to save face by removing the $1.50 interest charge that I shouldn’t have had, but he doesn’t take off the late fee per say…  I get all the information at I need from him, and then tell him I want to pay the bill online, now, with him.  He does so, quietly…  My one mistake was that I forgot to get the exact balance that I paid.

 So 10 minutes later (after I started writing my complaint letter), I realize I need that balance number (additional interest had incurred since we got the next month’s invoice.  So I call customer support for a second time.

This time I get a pleasant-sounding representative that wasn’t in a cocky mood.  I ask for the balance, and then ask him what was his full name.  He said that against company policy to tell his last name (I was testing them).  I then explain to him why I wanted his name and that he was going a fine job.

You know what?  This new representative tells me it sounds like I had a bad experience (which I agree that I did), and he said he’s going to get that fee removed.  He put me on hold for a minute and a half, then connect back to me again, explaining that he got permission from his manager to remove the late fee!

So the moral of the story is, if you get ahold of a representative of a credit card company, and the guy sounds like a jerk, do the following:

  1. Ask for his supervisor!  Although it didn’t work for me this particular time, often time they are smart enough to realize they don’t want to lose a good customer.
  2. If the supervisor sounds like a jerk, end the call gracefully, then call back!  Hopefully you’ll get a different representative and that person will be more reasonable.
  3. If you get a 2nd bad representative, try again the next day…
  4. If all of those fail, then go the suggested route of the original cocky supervisor(make them tell you over the phone, then google it to make sure it’s correct)!  Then mail the complaint to the customer complaint mail address.

So do I hate the Big American Corporation bank that I encountered problems with?

No, some people are decent intelligent human being, while other are jerks (and that’s being polite) that are bitter people who lack common sense.

Will I use the Big American Company bank credit card again?

No!  Not because I”m bitter with the company per se.  Why I won’t use them again is because their customer service failed to provide a valid reason why my credit card bills only sporadically made it to my house address.  Ever worse, they made no effort to look into if there are problems with customer receiving their credit card bills.

The other 2 credit cards that we use have always come to us via the postal system with no problems, so this leads me to conclude that it’s something on their BAC’s end.

What do you think of my little ordeal?

-MR

Update:

Readers, it would be greatly appreciated if you were to take the time to write such letters to the company about incompetence you may experience by bad customer service representatives!  Believe it or not, you are doing both the company and the credit card holding population in general a service by doing so.

*Note, I didn’t use the bank name, but if you know bank stocks, I’m sure you can figure it out.

Multiple Purpose Stock Dividend Investment Funds

November 9th, 2010

All of my stock dividend investment funds are multiple purpose investments!

By multiple purpose, I mean that while the dividends from funds may be primarily designated for one specific purpose (like paying for lunch out with the guys at work) in good times, if bad times come along (say suddenly I’m laid off), those same dividends could be used for a second or third purpose, depending of the magnitude of the bad times.

I don’t talk much about my regular dividend investments, but eventually I would like to have dividends funds that could pay for the following purposes: vacations, Christmas gifts, eating out, etc.

Now I know what people are thinking.  If I spend all the dividend money on the entertainment list above, the fund would be never grow and lose ground to inflation eventually.  That’s true, but I’m still going to be investing the money from my job into them; I want the funds to continue to grow!

So while currently the purpose of most of my stock dividend funds are for entertainment, they also have at least one other purpose that I keep in back of my head at the same time.  If my “Oh crap, that happened” fund purpose!

I also have other levels for my funds, but you get the basic idea…

So if an emergency does hit, the above funds would be uses as follows:

  • Vacation Dividends Fund would go for real estate taxes and groceries
  • Christmas Gifts Dividends Fund would go for groceries
  • Eating out Dividends Fund would also go for groceries
  • At Work Lunch Dividends Fund would go for gas for the cars

As I create more and more dividends funds, they too, would have multipurpose roles.

Ideally, I’ll be able to fix the issue that’s causing me to deviate from the intended purpose of my dividend funds.  But being able to use these funds for an emergency backup purpose give them a great degree of flexibility!

Do you have multiple purpose investments?

-MR

Is Being The Best The Most Important Thing In Life?

November 8th, 2010

Some people are very competitive, even at an early age!

Here is my question to you, the readers: ”Is being the very best the most important thing in life“?  After all, do you really think it’s healthy to be as competitive as Tonya Harding (see skating scandal)?

Why I ask this is because I see young kids on my son’s soccer team have different reactions when they lose.  Some cry, others yell at their teammates, some quit and some go to other cities to play.  The most ironic thing is that after all the little league, supposed superstars take such measures, they often leave a more cohesive team.  I believe this is one of the reasons that my son’s team won every game except one this season, and finished by winning the regional soccer championship this past soccer season!

Of course everybody on the team has to be a pretty decent player and play their hardest for that position they play.  But without the superstars trying to hog all the glory, the entire team improved as a whole!

The same is true with normal life!  You can’t fight a real war being a force of one, no matter what the movies portray (see the character Rambo in “First Blood“)…

So after your investment portfolio, business or whatever in life get to a certain size, it’s a smart move to hire help and/or join networking groups that can offer advice and support (see Yakezie).

-MR

MR Cache 2010, Nov 06 – Will The DOW Rally?

November 7th, 2010

Weekly Thoughts:

Since the beginning of the year, I’ve been claiming that the DOW will hit 12,000 by the end of this year. We’ve made some good progress, but to save face at work, I really hope we start to have that Santa Claus Rally soon!

Oh, of course I’ll say, “but the market hit this high point (some number here), and I was so close”.  But it would be much sweeter if it really did end at least 12,000 by Dec 31!

We’ll see…

My Favorite Reads of the Week:

Watson IncDo You Save Instead of Paying Debt?  Shawn provides another excellent article (actually I haven’t been disappointed yet by anything tht Shawn does)!  I feel like Shawn and I are travelling down the same or at least a very similar path.  Check out his post to see if you are too!

TightFistedMiserOctober Investment Income – $96.04 - I like that fact that TightFistedMiser is laying it all out for the world to track, follow, and grow along with him!

TheSavedQuarterYakezie Carnival - I usually don’t list a carnival here, but TheSavedQuarter single-handedly rescued the Yakezie Carnival this week, and I think that deserves to by under her listing rather than a carnival listing.  Still, thanks for the include!

Redeeming Riches: What Sam Walton Teaches Us About Money, Success, and Family post is a great example of why I posted this article: Reasons To Spend Money – I Don’t Want A Coffin Full Of Dollars.  The Sam Walton story is a perfect example of a person who’s biggest regret was not enjoying life with family more fully.  Check it out at Redeeming Riches, it’s a great read!

Grumpy Rumblings of the Untenured:  Totally Random Bullets of Crap - Thoughts on random things, but mostly I like the title!  Not to mention the Pee poem (lol).

Free Money FinanceThe Net Worths of US Presidents - This was an interesting read, especially noting that Thomas Jefferson started out pretty rich, but I remember reading that when he died he ended up owing money instead of owning money!  This just goes to show that every being a genius doesn’t guarantee everlasting financial success.

Everyday Tips and Thoughts:  Thoughts For Thursday: What People Divulge In Public - This one was my favorite from Everyday’s site, I believe others would pick one of the other well qualified post, but this one reminds me how like-minded Everyday and I are!  I would have found it delightful to be in the spot she was in on that day. 

Enemy of Debt:  No Restaurants in November Challenge - This is an awesome idea!  Not only will it save you the money for the month of November!  It also have the potential of breaking your habit of eating out in a set schedule!  This is awesome, and I would highly encourage anyone interested in joining!  Great idea EOD!

Budgeting in the Fun Stuff:  October 2010 Blog Statistics and Income Update  – Crystal takes everything off and reveals her measurements!  It will be fun watching Crystal grow like wildfire!  So if your like me and love to watch stats and growth… Check Crystal out!

My Favorite Post from the Week:

My most popular post of the week on my site was: Pros and Cons of Blogging  I liked it because I able to hash over a year’s worth of blogging!

Closing Thoughts:

Thanksgiving for the U.S. folks is just around the corner!  This year has flown by in a blink!

Funny Money – Comic 4 – Mr. Penny Learning Finances

November 6th, 2010

 Mr. Penny’s Financial Education

Next: Mr. Penny is Making a List
Previous: MR PF Gets Scared
Special: Color versus Black and White – What say you?

Comic Strip Notes:

Pressed again for time, I had to throw this together quickly, so I used one frame copied, with just the conversation changing.  In the future, I may use either one, two or three panel, instead of only three.  Sometimes just a single panel would work just fine…

I don’t think I’ve even done a side profile of a comic before!  It’s different from what I imagined it would be!

Notes about Mr. Penny:

Mr. Penny’s head is really a penny shifted off-center to give it a sideways oval shape.  The fire-like hair is to represent a few things.  One being how Mr. Penny burns through money…  Mr. Penny is so thin to represent that he get by on the thinnest of margins.

Mr. Penny represent at least 4 friends of mine and their spending behavior.

Notes about MR:

The Money Reasons site is pretty small still (even if I did double my traffic in the past 2 months).  So the representation of MR is still a speck but growing.  While I’m still just a single point of reason, I now bigger than previous representations, and I decided to color the dot green both to represent money (frugal, investments, wealth), and the fact that I also try to do environmentally sounds practices.  Per Kris’s suggestion from Everyday Tips and Thoughts, I added a smiley face!

At certain milestones in the Money Reasons blog’s existence, I’ll evolve the look of MR.

Links to 3 Off the Beaten Path Links:

Venetian Princess:  This beautiful parody entertainer is also a one-woman show with her parody videos.  Mostly, she does it all, with a green screen in her room.   Beautiful and talented, a winning combination and very successful!  If you want to be floored by some fascinating videos, check her youtube site out.

Punch Debt In The Face:  Interesting (and very original) blend of stick figure humor and personal finance (with great emphasis on the personal aspect).  Warning, this site is addicting because of the original humor!  If you visit more than twice, I think you’ll be hooked!

Budgets are Sexy:  And now the best for last!  J. Money’s site is both humorous and filled with great financially related posts!  Fun stuff all around!  Nice Blend J. Money!

That’s All Folks!  Have a great weekend!

-MR

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