Dividends Paying Expenses – My Thoughts

A friend at work asked why am I working so hard to saving dividends to pay for my lunch expenses.

Cross-over point to the positive

He was actually referencing the fact that I don’t go out as much because of my experiment called: Lunch Dividend Experiment.  He thought it was a risky move because what happens if the stock stops paying dividends or goes belly up and I lose my entire investment in that company.

Well, my friend is only seeing part of the equation.  The part he forgot about was that if I paid for expenses with my earned income, my money is gone after I pay for the expense.  However, with stocks that pay dividends, I have the opportunity to keep my initial investment, only spending the dividend portion.  It’s true that such stocks won’t increase in value as fast that way, but the idea is someday that I will increase my investment in that stock too, once the dividend payout is more than what is required to pay for the expense and taxes.

At the very least, I’m not spending my earned income, never to see that money again!

That said, I won’t be able to use dividends to pay my mortgage (if I still had one), but everything else is fair game!

Almost all of my dividends are overloaded in purpose.  By this I mean that I’ll use my dividends for a want, but if something happens, I’ll switch it to cover a need. For example, I’m working on building up my dividend payouts so that they can cover future vacations, or at least help pay for vacations, but if some disaster happens like I’m unemployed, that dividend stream will go to other more important things such as food or paying my real estate taxes.

That the beauty of dividend goals!  Just because they are ideally focused on one goal, doesn’t mean that they can’t be switch to a new high priority goal if the need arises.

Bests,

MR

Spot Budgeting To Save Money For A Goal Fund

First, let me say, that I’ve always admired people that create budgets and could follow them to the T.  I’ve actually tried to create a budget when I was in college, but it’s never worked out for me. There was always something that would pop up that I didn’t save the receipt for.

Surprisingly, while doing my Breakfast/Lunch experiment, I “out of the blue” realized that my experiment is really a form of budgeting.  I decided to call this type of budgeting “Spot Budgeting“.

Here’s how “Spot Budgeting” works for me:

  • First, every monday, I clip 5 sheets of paper I recycled together and use them as a log for things I do at work.
  • At the top, I add Breakfast and Lunch cost to these 5 sheets, 1 entry for breakfast and 1 for lunch on each sheet.
  • On Friday, I add up the total cost for breakfast and lunch, then I do the following calculation:
    • Is 60 – (weekly breakfasts + weekly lunches), greater than 40?
      • If 60 – (weekly breakfasts + weekly lunches) is greater that 40, then I pay myself the full $40 dollars for an allowance.
      • If 60 – (weekly breakfasts + weekly lunches) is less that 40, then I pay myself the amount that’s less than $40 dollars.
      • The following week I’ll make it up by not eating out for lunch as much.  Then I’ll pay myself the amount over $40 dollars that I didn’t spend.
  • Since I’m adjusting and tracking this weekly, I don’t do any monthly or yearly budgeting comparisons (this makes it simple).
  • Since it a weekly comparison, and it typically only involves 20 entries (only 2 a day) to log per week, it’s very simple and quick to do.
  • If I want to calculate my yearly savings, it’s just (40*52, which is $2080)
  • That’s it…  My budget is just for Breakfast/Lunch and during the typical workweek only.

Now my next stage is to take the money I save by budgeting and put it into a dividend yielding stock (etf, bond, mutual fund or whatever).  Then use the dividend paid by that investment to increase the amount of money I have for lunch.  See my attached spreadsheet table below:

So after 3 years of saving, I can afford to buy another cheap lunch per week, while I’m at lunch… so instead of 2 days out for lunch per week, I’ll added another lunch out with the guys after every 3 years of savings.

My view on the “Spot Budget” is that you are no longer paying for the lunch out of your earned money, but instead using the money from your investment dividends.  So after the 1st year of investing the money, this will effectively be my “Lunch Fund”.

To speed up the savings, I also add “Additional Savings” to my “Lunch Fund”.  The “Additional Savings” could come from bonuses, part of my tax refunds, etc.

Additional Main Adult Total Yearly Amount & Interest Monthly Weekly
Savings Savings Allowance Contributions Interest Interest Rate Earnings Earnings
2009 1000 2080 3080 3,080.00 $154 3,234.00 5.0% $12.83 $2.96
2010 2080 2080 5,160.00 $258 5,418.00 5.0% $21.50 $4.96
2011 2080 2080 7,240.00 $362 7,602.00 5.0% $30.17 $6.96
2012 2080 2080 9,320.00 $466 9,786.00 5.0% $38.83 $8.96
2013 2080 2080 11,400.00 $570 11,970.00 5.0% $47.50 $10.96
2014 2080 2080 13,480.00 $674 14,154.00 5.0% $56.17 $12.96
2015 2080 2080 15,560.00 $778 16,338.00 5.0% $64.83 $14.96
2016 2080 2080 17,640.00 $882 18,522.00 5.0% $73.50 $16.96
2017 2080 2080 19,720.00 $986 20,706.00 5.0% $82.17 $18.96
2018 2080 2080 21,800.00 $1,090 22,890.00 5.0% $90.83 $20.96
2019 2080 2080 23,880.00 $1,194 25,074.00 5.0% $99.50 $22.96
2020 2080 2080 25,960.00 $1,298 27,258.00 5.0% $108.17 $24.96
2021 2080 2080 28,040.00 $1,402 29,442.00 5.0% $116.83 $26.96
* The idea here is to pack food, which saves money and to pay my allowance out of that money

This is my first “Goal Fund”, eventually I plan on have other “Goal Funds” that will pay dividend for other goals, perhaps vacations, taxes, etc.

Well, this is my evolution of my lunch experiment into a Lunch “Goal Fund”.  I’m kind of excited to see this come to fruition!!

Goal Fund for lunch

Goal Fund for lunch

– D